February 13, 2014

YES OR NO? NY HORSE CARRIAGES

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                                     THE  CARRIAGE      HORSES IN NEW YORK CITY

Bill de Blasio: Central Park's horse-drawn carriages should ride into history

By Allie Malloy, CNN
updated 9:46 PM EST, Wed January 1, 2014
Source: CNN

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I talked To Mr. Candace Ware. He have HORSE CARRIAGE now. I asked him about how a horse survives In the unnatural areas of New York City, where the ground is cement and the air is full of pollution, and what a horse will go through when they're older.   
He told me this. ~Keiko Olds~

YES!!"The people work a lot harder than the horses do. You're an ignoramus. The horses aren't going away. Yes, we are going 2 keep fighting. They [PETA] are nobody w/out horses.  Horses don't think like humans. And YOU don't own the NYC horses. They are healthy, happy and LOVED. If [the] requirement is grassland, are you going to try and remove all horses that live in deserts? I've loved, owned and trained horses since childhood. I own 2 now. I would take them to NYC to work. [They] are trying to take horses from GOOD owners. WRONG. NYC horses have lots of great care and amenities that I can't give my horses. We would love to work in NYC in a normal life. For 6000-8000 years, horses have been working alongside humans. NYC horse life IS a normal life. Horses have always lived and worked in NYC with mankind. There is NO reason that should end. NONE. MANY equine experts and vets have examined NYC horses, and they are HEALTHIER than most horses. READ rather than listening to other ignorant people. Look at this for vet reports: http://t.co/xZ085LAfWc . It isn't concrete, it is asphalt. Look up history of asphalt. It was invented to make it easier for horses! The first asphalt used in NYC was laid down before the Civil War (1860s). No cars then. ALL HORSES. The NYC horses have several retirement options. Owners might keep at farm, give to a family member... or the horse might go to a run carriage job with fewer hours. Most don't deal well with total stop.And any NYC carriage horse has a place here: http://t.co/P5yzcuMJIX A draft horse sanctuary in Mass. A horse moving a carriage is like me or you wheeling a grocery cart full of potato chips. In nature, a horse eats a bit, walks a bit, naps a while, all day. Exactly the same as in NYC. ONE death traffic in 20 years. VERY few accidents. Horses are at greater risk in pasture. Just because [they] dislike and fear the city doesn't mean the horses do. They are happy. TRUTH." Feb.21.2014 Candace Ware 

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No!  Incidents Involving Horse-Drawn Carriages

http://www.mediapeta.com/peta/PDF/horse-drawn-carriage-accidents.pdf



Every year, the list of accidents ↑↑involving horse-drawn carriages grows, and horses continue to endure pain and suffering because of this outdated practice. These gentle animals suffer from respiratory ailments because they breathe in exhaust fumes, and they develop debilitating leg problems from walking on hard surfaces. Horses have even dropped dead from heatstroke after working in scorching summer heat and humidity.The only way to end this cruelty is to ban it permanently and give these horses the freedom that they deserve.

Editor's note: Matt Bershadker is president and CEO of the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to 

Animals, or ASPCA.

Help the horses: Ban New York carriage rides 

    No ! Matt Bershadker (The ASPCA® (The American Society for the Prevention        of Cruelty to Animals®) today announced that it has named Matthew E. Bershadker President and CEO. Mr. Bershadker is a 12-year veteran of the ASPCA, serving most recently as Senior Vice President of the Anti-Cruelty Group (ACG). Mr. Bershadker will assume the position June 1, succeeding Edwin Sayres, President and CEO since 2003.)

(CNN) -- Horses have been pulling passenger carriages on New York City streets since 1858, 
50 years before the Ford Model T was introduced, and there's no arguing they've been an 
iconic feature of the city's culture. But as society evolves, so do its standards. When traditions
become unacceptable, we don't stick to them simply to keep money coming in. We make new
ones.There is no better example of an obsolete and unacceptable tradition than New York 
City's horse-drawn carriage rides. In the 21st century, using horses to pull heavy loads of 
tourists through congested city streets is unnatural, unnecessary and an undeniable strain on 
the horses. And that strain is not restricted to the streets.
The stables to which these horses return -- former tenement buildings -- do not afford horses 
a paddock for turnout, the ability to graze or the freedom to roll and run.
That's why, as an organization that's fought for humane treatment of horses since our founding
in 1866, we think it's time to end horse-drawn carriage rides, a position firmly and bravely
backed by New York City's new mayor, Bill de Blasio. "We're going to get rid of horse carriages,
period," the mayor said two days before taking office.

Matt Bershadker
No counterargument stands up to the sheer absurdity of this antiquated practice, though many
who profit from it keep trying.
Opposite view: Keep the beloved New York carriage rides
A carriage driver and industry spokesperson recently told CNN that only "two different sides" 
are arguing this issue: "the people that know about horses, and people who just look at the
horses and give their first impression based on something they read on the Internet."
That statement indicates a deliberate ignorance that serves neither the horses nor the truth.
There are many perspectives on this issue, but because these carriages are profit-driven as
well as horse-driven, the paramount question is "What's in the best interest of the horses?"
And is the answer more likely to come from a group dedicated to animal rescue and protection
or from horse carriage drivers teaming up with a St. Louis-based PR firm that says it is fighting
"radical animal rights extremists" to protect industry?
Are the concerns about lost jobs legitimate? Absolutely.
We share those concerns and encourage new ideas to address them. But using fear over facts
and paper-thin arguments to sway this debate is irresponsible.
Here's a sampling of the most ridiculous points suggested by the carriage horse industry and
others in the media:
Carriage horses have ample "vacation time."
This may come as news to some, but horses don't understand the idea of workplace benefits.
Time off is no defense if the time on is degrading. And another key difference: If you don't like
your job, you can quit.
These horses' nine-hour shifts, pulling vehicles weighing hundreds of pounds through
bumper-to-bumper traffic on hard pavement, go on without regard to their natural inclinations or
overall well-being.
The presence of police horses means the use of carriage horses is appropriate.
Police horses serve a public service. Carriage horses exist for personal profit. That's the
difference between necessary and unnecessary. Yes, they're both horses -- just like police
officers and ticket scalpers are both humans -- but their roles could not be more different.
It should also be noted that New York Police Department Mounted Unit horses and officers
undergo months of specialized training, while New York City carriage horse drivers must simply
attend a two-day course and have a valid driver's license.
Horses share our environment: If it's good enough for us, it's good enough for them.
Humans can get off the street, go inside, sit down and generally leave pollutants, noise, potholes
and traffic behind. Horses don't have that luxury.
Not only that, but the official training manual for horse-drawn carriage operators cautions drivers
that horses are naturally alarmed by -- among other things -- brightly colored traffic lines,
manhole covers, potholes, motorcycles, ambulance and police sirens, barking dogs, and noisy
crowds. Sound like any city you know?
The number of carriage horse violations and accidents is insignificant.
The ASPCA has issued more than 230 summonses to carriage operators since 2007. But just 
one dangerous incident or violation is one too many. In one of many stories of these animals 
panicking, a mare named Smoothie was spooked and bolted onto the sidewalk where she died 
of shock in 2007. In December, a carriage horse operator was arrested and charged with animal 
cruelty for working a horse that was visibly injured.
Incidents such as these shouldn't be tolerated, especially when the practice is so unnecessary. 
And New York City still needs carriage horses like it still needs subway tokens.
If the practice ends, the horses will be destroyed or abandoned.
We hear this false forecast all too often. Many rescue organizations and shelters are ready and
willing to find and open homes to these horses, if their owners allow it. The ASPCA will gladly
get involved to help find and facilitate humane options for any horse in need of placement.
But by no means does life as a carriage horse ensure the animal won't eventually be killed for
profit. When their useful days are done, they may well be sent to auctions where buyers are often
looking for American horses to ship to Canada or Mexico for slaughter and human consumption
overseas. This debate is a conversation New York City needs to have. But it should happen in a
context ofhard truth, not hyperbolic bias. New Yorkers deserve that. And so do the animals with
whom they share the city.
We applaud efforts clearly in motion to take these horses off city streets, pushing both them and
New York itself into a more civilized future that should be welcomed, not feared.

No   OR  Yes
                                    Matt Bershadker                             VS                         Stephen Malone

Keep New York's beloved carriage rides

      Yes ! Stephen Malone NYC Carriage rides

Editor's note: Stephen Malone has been a horse-drawn carriage operator for 26 years. 
He and his carriage led the St. Patrick's Day Parade in 2011 and appeared in the movies
 "Eloise at the Plaza," "Eloise at Christmastime" 
and "Crazy Eyes," among others. He is spokesman for the Horse and Carriage Association 
of New York.
(CNN) -- Before he came to this country in summer 1964, my father never could have 
envisioned the tradition he would create in America. He came here from Louth Village, 
County Louth, in the midlands of Ireland to follow my mother, who had come here on a job 
search.
My father stumbled upon the horse and carriages on Central Park South and hit the jackpot.
He was a third-generation blacksmith and went to work immediately as the stable hand and
blacksmith to the carriage trade. He would work all day, fixing problems with the carriages
and then shoeing horses.
The stable owner allowed him to drive a carriage on weekends to earn extra pay. He worked
like this until 1967, when he purchased his first carriage. This is the origin of my family
tradition. The horse and carriages have put the bread and butter on my family's table since
1967 and I intend on keeping it that way for years to come.
The iconic carriage industry is a big part of what makes New York special. We are a gateway
to enjoying the city, providing a slow-paced tour of Central Park, the greatest park in the
world. We carry visitors from all over, providing them with a memory that lasts a lifetime. In my
26 years driving a carriage, I have participated in hundreds and hundreds of engagements,
weddings, anniversaries, proms, birthdays, movies, TV commercials and sitcoms -- and
provide a special moment for all my regular customers.
I am the proud owner of two draft horses -- Tyson, an 11-year-old Morgan and Percheron cross, 
and Jokinson, a 7-year-old Percheron mare. Tyson is my "lead" horse, which means he is my
best horse. Draft horses such as mine and the others used in the carriage trade have been born
and bred, for centuries, to pull loads.
On average, my horses work alternate days, so they generally work three to four days a week. 
I have owned many horses in my 26 years in the business and have never been involved in an
accident nor have any of my horses been seriously injured.
The horses that pull the carriages are treated exceedingly well. The stables themselves are
open to inspection 365 days a year. The Department of Health inspects them four times a year,
and the New York Fire Department conducts an inspection at least once a year. Every horse
gets checkups from a licensed New York state veterinarian and a minimum of five weeks out of
the city to pasture. If a horse goes across state lines he must be seen by a vet before leaving
and before returning. Our industry wants transparency when it comes to our horse care. 
We welcome it.
In 2010, the Carriage Operators of North America invited Harry Werner, an equine veterinarian
and former head of the American Association of Equine Practitioners, to check out the horses'
working and living environments in New York. He says he and other veterinarians paid their own
way and found clean stalls, excellent veterinary care and food, and no inhumane conditions or
neglect. He told The New York Times recently that the "demeanor of the horses was, to a one,
that of a contented horse."
There are 68 licensed carriages, 220 licensed horses and about 300 licensed drivers, of which
160 are employed. The carriage industry has 144 pages of regulations that cover everything from
 where we can operate to how much insurance we should carry. The industry is monitored by five
agencies: the ASPCA, Health Department, Mounted Police division of the NYPD, Department of
Consumer Affairs and the Parks Department
On January 1, the new mayor of New York was sworn in to office determined to end my beloved
industry, one that is also loved by New Yorkers and people all over the world. Mayor Bill de Blasio
believes there is no place in New York City for horse drawn carriages and wants to replace them
with antique-style cars. He says the business is inhumane, but has flat-out refused to see how the
horses are treated or meet with the men and women who work with them.
Members of Teamsters Local 553 union have extended an open invitation to him and City Council
Speaker Melissa Mark-Viverito to visit and see for themselves how the industry works, and to this
date they have declined.
There are horse and carriage rides available in many U.S. cities: Chicago, Philadelphia, New
Orleans, Salt Lake City, Honolulu, Boston and Charleston, South Carolina, are just a few. Horse
people around the world are watching to see what happens here in the next few months. Banning
the practice in New York could set a precedent that would put hundreds of people out of work.
I will fight the ban.
We have a legitimate, thriving, well-regulated industry. It is 99% walk-up: People love the chance
to get up close and pet a beautiful horse in an urban environment. The horse is the star. 
That special experience can't be replaced with an electric car.

A horse pulls a carriage between cars and cabs along 59th Street in January. A horse pulls a carriage between cars and cabs along 59th Street in January.
HIDE CAPTION


NYC MAY NIX CRUEL CARRIAGE HORSE TRADITION
NYC proposal to ban horse-drawn carriages under fire 01/09/14 
 By Lisa Crivel.                           
A New York tradition is in danger of becoming a distant memory as the city’s new mayor prepares to send the horse-drawn carriages of Central Park off into the sunse“We are 
going to quickly aggressively move to make horse carriages no longer a part of the landscape in New York City,” Mayor Bill de Blasio said earlier this month. “They are not humane… It’s over.”De Blasio is expected to put hisproposal in front of the city council for a vote within his first weeks in office and he believes he has the
votes to pass the initiative. He hopes to replace the carriages with antique-like electric cars, and each carriage driver with a medallion would have the option to operate one of the cars–but with a catch: the 68 drivers who own a medallion to operate a carriage have already purchased them, but they would have to buy a new medallion to run an electric car.   According to Stephen Malone, spokesman for the
Horse Carriage, that could cost up to $175,000. The medallion he uses for his horse and carriage has been in his family since his father began driving in 1964. “They are going to saddle me with an unfounded,untested business and stick me with the debt for it,” Malone told msnb“The one significant difference is that people come for the horse, not the tour,” Malone said. “The horse is the star. He always has been and he always will be. Nobody is going to line up to take an electric car ride. The horse-drawn carriages currently bring in up to $19 million a year, according to the animal rights organization NYCLASS, but many
days in the summer are off-limits for the horses because of high temperatures and unsafe conditions. 
NYCLASS says that won’t be an issue with the antique-style cars. De Blasio’s plan estimates the cars would produce $30 million in profits because they could operate year round.De Blasio and NYCLASS have argued the carriages are inhumane and cruel to the horses, a sentiment also agreed upon by the ASPCA. The organization believes that the use of carriage horses in 21st century New York is “unnatural,
unnecessary, and an undeniable strain on the horses’ quality of life. “It’s the year 2014,” Allie Feldman of NYCLASS told msnbc. “There’s no reason to have a horse drag a tourist around the city anymore. There are so many things to do in New York City without putting an animal at risk. New York City is better than this.”The horse-carriage industry is closely monitored by the ASPCA, the New York State Department of
Health, and the New York Police Department–from spontaneous inspections of the stables to required health exams for the horses.Some say the new mayor’s eagerness to eliminate the industry is tied as much to the purse strings than his heart strings: at least four stables which house more than 200 horses take up valuable real estate along New York’s West Side. NYCLASS co-founder and president Steve Nislick, a strong advocate for de Blasio’s proposal, is a retired property developer who owns more than 40 parking
garage and storage unit properties throughout New York and New Jersey.Feldman brushed off questionsabout Nislick and NYCLASS. “Steve has been an animal rights philanthropist for a very long time…If he wanted to buy the land the stables are on, he would just buy the stables.” Several attempts by msnbc to reach de Blasio’s office for comment were unsuccessful.

Both the ASPCA and NYCLASS say homes have been found for each of the horses if the proposal does succeed, but the drivers who own their horses may have to give them up. 
“The unconstitutionality of it is they want to steal my horse from me,” Malone said.  “We’re in the fight of our lives.  We’re the little guys in this David and Goliath fight.”


Sunday, January 19, 2014 

Click here⇒ NYC PUBLIC FORUM ON ANIMAL ISSUES...and Carriage Horse

                  ⇒THE CARRIAGE HORSE BAN AND THE GREAT BETRAYAL-WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE MEDIA?



◆Bill de Blasio’s Vision For a More Humane City

Replace Carriage Horses with Vintage Tourist-Friendly Vehicles in Parks  http://www.billdeblasio.com/issues/humane-city


Carriage Driver Is Charged With Animal Cruelty. 

December 20, 2013 NEW YORK TIMES 


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Stop your attack on the horse drawn

carriage rides. Preserve the horses, the

livery and the carriage rides, a beloved

part of New York City. ( I only found this one.Yes★)


See why the carriage horse industry has no place on the streets of New York. 

Ban Horse-Drawn Carriages in New York City - NYS bill needs support http://www.change.org/petitions/ban-horse-drawn-carriages-in-new-york-city-nys-bill-needs-support

NYC CARRIAGE HORSES ENDURE UNTHINKABLE 

SUFFERING. THE CITY IS NO PLACE FOR A HORSE TO CALL HOME.



Crack Down on Carriage Horse Abuse

Save The Carriage Horses In New York City! 
New York City's Carriage Horses: A Dangerous And Inhumane
      Industry That Must End

Tell New York State Officials To Support S.5013/A.7748 To Prohibit 
Horse-drawn Carriages In New York City

Demand NYC Council Ban Horse Carriages 


end to Horse-Drawn Carriages in New York!

Thank you!
  Keiko Olds



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1 comment:

  1. please treat the horses with respect..its heartbreaking the way they are treated

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